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Re: 读到纽约时报一篇文章
[版面:经济][首篇作者:neuron] , 1999年10月12日02:43:19 ,228次阅读,6次回复
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发信人: lonelymoon (梦回燕园), 信区: Economics
标  题: Re: 读到纽约时报一篇文章
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Tue Oct 12 15:39:21 1999) WWW-POST

贫富差距的扩大是改革的必然产物。但是,中国目前的程度,好像是有点高了。我觉
的这跟国内的一些体制 ,特权阶级有关。



【 在 neuron (ariel) 的大作中提到: 】
: 关于中国的贫富差距
: 有这么一段话:
: "From comparative income equality in the mid-1980's, China in the last
: decade has suddenly emerged as one of the most unequal countries in Asia,
: surpassing countries like India and Indonesia, according to reports by
: the World Bank and others.
: China's disparities surpass those of the United States and Western Europe,
: though they do not approach the extremes of Latin America."
: 哪位专家来谈一谈。//thanks

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发信人: qili (qili), 信区: Economics
标  题: Re: 读到纽约时报一篇文章
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Tue Oct 12 15:59:12 1999), 转信

I don't think there is anything wrong withunequality of wealth
in any society, as long as anyone is given an equal OPPORTUNITY
to sucess.

As a matter of fact, if the wealth is garantteed to be
evenly distributed to every member of the society, it would
have simply eliminated any incentive for innovation, hard working,
risk taking, etc., anything that addes value and wealth to
the society.

The focus should be on fairness in terms of opportunity, not fairness
in terms of results.

【 在 neuron (ariel) 的大作中提到: 】
: 关于中国的贫富差距
: 有这么一段话:
: "From comparative income equality in the mid-1980's, China in the last
: decade has suddenly emerged as one of the most unequal countries in Asia,
: surpassing countries like India and Indonesia, according to reports by
: the World Bank and others.
: China's disparities surpass those of the United States and Western Europe,
: though they do not approach the extremes of Latin America."
: 哪位专家来谈一谈。//thanks


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发信人: bp (bp), 信区: Economics
标  题: Re: 读到纽约时报一篇文章
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Wed Oct 13 08:34:59 1999), 转信

极度的贫富差距如果没有众多的中产阶级来调和,结果一定是革命。
穷人革富人的命。所以老朱不惜一切代价报住粮食。
让所有人饭吃,有房住(这一点看来够戗)就没大事。

【 在 qili (qili) 的大作中提到: 】
: I don't think there is anything wrong withunequality of wealth
: in any society, as long as anyone is given an equal OPPORTUNITY
: to sucess.
: As a matter of fact, if the wealth is garantteed to be
: evenly distributed to every member of the society, it would
: have simply eliminated any incentive for innovation, hard working,
: risk taking, etc., anything that addes value and wealth to
: the society.
: The focus should be on fairness in terms of opportunity, not fairness
: in terms of results.
: 【 在 neuron (ariel) 的大作中提到: 】
: : 关于中国的贫富差距
: : 有这么一段话:
: : "From comparative income equality in the mid-1980's, China in the last
: : decade has suddenly emerged as one of the most unequal countries in Asia,
: : surpassing countries like India and Indonesia, according to reports by
: : the World Bank and others.
: : China's disparities surpass those of the United States and Western Europe,
: : though they do not approach the extremes of Latin America."
: : 哪位专家来谈一谈。//thanks


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发信人: truth (枫林·桃园), 信区: Economics
标  题: Re: 读到纽约时报一篇文章
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Wed Oct 13 15:02:19 1999), 转信

But do think in China today people get equal (fair) opportunity?
I agree that evenly distributed wealth is not a good idea, but I
believe a sharp disparity in wealth will eventually lead to social
uprest in a society like China.

【 在 qili (qili) 的大作中提到: 】
: I don't think there is anything wrong withunequality of wealth
: in any society, as long as anyone is given an equal OPPORTUNITY
: to sucess.
: As a matter of fact, if the wealth is garantteed to be
: evenly distributed to every member of the society, it would
: have simply eliminated any incentive for innovation, hard working,
: risk taking, etc., anything that addes value and wealth to
: the society.
: The focus should be on fairness in terms of opportunity, not fairness
: in terms of results.
: 【 在 neuron (ariel) 的大作中提到: 】
: : 关于中国的贫富差距
: : 有这么一段话:
: : "From comparative income equality in the mid-1980's, China in the last
: : decade has suddenly emerged as one of the most unequal countries in Asia,
: : surpassing countries like India and Indonesia, according to reports by
: : the World Bank and others.
: : China's disparities surpass those of the United States and Western Europe,
: : though they do not approach the extremes of Latin America."
: : 哪位专家来谈一谈。//thanks


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发信人: guerrilla (散兵游勇), 信区: Economics
标  题: Re: 读到纽约时报一篇文章
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Fri Oct 15 01:12:23 1999), 转信


真的么,偶印象中中国的贫富悬殊好象只达到了中等发达资本主义国家水平压,
看来偶要update一下乐:)


【 在 neuron (ariel) 的大作中提到: 】
: 关于中国的贫富差距
: 有这么一段话:
: "From comparative income equality in the mid-1980's, China in the last
: decade has suddenly emerged as one of the most unequal countries in Asia,
: surpassing countries like India and Indonesia, according to reports by
: the World Bank and others.
: China's disparities surpass those of the United States and Western Europe,
: though they do not approach the extremes of Latin America."

hehe,首推巴西:)))q


: 哪位专家来谈一谈。//thanks


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发信人: ears (ears), 信区: Economics
标  题: Re: 读到纽约时报一篇文章
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Wed Oct 20 09:21:52 1999), 转信

【 在 neuron (ariel) 的大作中提到: 】
: 关于中国的贫富差距
I wonder which Volume you read?


: 有这么一段话:
: "From comparative income equality in the mid-1980's, China in the last
: decade has suddenly emerged as one of the most unequal countries in Asia,
: surpassing countries like India and Indonesia, according to reports by
: the World Bank and others.
: China's disparities surpass those of the United States and Western Europe,
: though they do not approach the extremes of Latin America."
: 哪位专家来谈一谈。//thanks

It is concerned with the relationship between eco growth and inequality.
Kuznets(1955) introduced his now famous hypothesis that this relaiton follows
an inverted-U shape.  A number of research have been done following Kuznets.
Various explanation accounts for this phenomena. Generally speaking, three
major processes brought the outcome.
  1. labor force shifts from agriculture to industry;
  2. rate of population growth;
  3. spread of edu.

Gini coefficient of equivalent disposable income is widely employed in
cross-sectional study covering  various countries.  More and more explanation
pinpointed out to afford the conclusion.  For an instance, the size of
industrial sector, the international division of labor, the funtion of trade
union...
  
  For case of China, different conclusions have been drew out. As state social-
ism country, relation follows U-shape model.






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